Ep 41 - Gratitude Habits with Pamelyn Rocco, Author of "Gratitude the Great"
Gratitude is available to us all, and creating habits that build our gratitude should be a part of our daily routines - just like brushing our teeth! This week's guest, Pamelyn Rocco share's how her life's negative experiences and the practices of gratitude helped her gain new focus and perspectives. She has just published a children's book, "Gratitude the Great" so that kids can begin learning about these great habits at an early age.
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David: So Mary, what's your favorite tequila brand? And why do I ask? Because it's Cinco de Mayo.
Mary: Oh, don't get me started on tequila. I love Casamigos. I feel like I'm pretty basic in saying that response. But I also really love actually, I should shout out to one of my favorite brands that's just here in Boulder Suerte tequila. Have you heard of it?
David: I have not.
Mary: Oh it's the best. Lawrence owns it. And you know, funny story when I was running a juice bar. He had just started his tequila brand. And he kept coming to the juice bar because he had collaborated with this really cool cocktail caravan that was going around to events. And he would bring, well, they would bring watermelons and we would juice gallons and gallons and gallons of watermelons, or also lime juice and lemon juice. Which mind you, we were literally using like one of those hand juicers with a glove and I can't tell you how many little nicks I got on my fingers and how much that stings. But made the coolest cocktails with tequila. I love tequila. I think it's one of the best spirits out there.
David: So Casamigos is related to George Clooney?
Mary: Yeah, I think he sold it. I'm not totally sure. But I only discovered it like I'm very late to the Casamigos game. I'm like, I don't know, maybe the last year I've really appreciated it. And I typically stick to the silver variety with the Blanco.
David: So here's a fun fact, George Clooney grew up in Cincinnati, so.
Mary: Oh, I didn't know that.
David: Yeah, Northern Kentucky. So his whole family is from this area. And he is a Cincinnati boy.
Mary: Yeah. And I think that everyone, like if you don't know, like the whole point of the Third Place is, it’s pretty rooted in the beverage. So this comes up for us a lot where beverage can be a catalyst for conversations. So any excuse we have to talk about any beverage of any sorts, whether it be tea, water, beer.
David: Yeah, not just alcohol.
Mary: Not just alcohol.
David: Although with Cinco De Mayo of my, you know, that's kind of… Yeah, I mean, well, and you know, on a regular basis, we do our co-hosts Happy Hours on Thursday, afternoons
Mary: Yeah, check us out on Instagram Live.
David: Yeah, a couple of weeks ago, we usually shout out our favorite drink of the day or whatever. And, you know, here in Cincinnati, we have that we gave a shout out to and they have a blue spirit, which is actually tequila. But you're not allowed to call it tequila.
Mary: Because it's not from Mexico.
David: That's correct. But that's basically the tequila. And by the way, it's really good.
Mary: Yeah, yeah.
David: So wherever you're listening 10:00 am, 7:00 am, 10:00 pm, let's pause, go grab your favorite shot of tequila come back.
Mary: But please, don't tell your employer. Although I've been seeing a lot of these amazing, hilarious TikTok, right where they're like, just put your drink inside of a coffee mug and make sure to blow on it during your Zoom call and it looks like you're drinking coffee. But even like, more importantly to us is the fact that this episode that you are about to hear is all about gratitude. And it's from Pamelyn. She's a new author, and really such a bright light in this world and this topic, and we feel like it was really timely being that Mother's Day is just around the corner. So we have a lot of things to celebrate this week.
David: Yeah, we talk about our families quite a bit here. Shout out to my wife Beth and the mothers of our two boys, Parker and Lincoln. So happy Mother's Day. And Mary, happy Mother's Day to you.
Mary: Thank you. And I think it's something that we really recognize, though to that is new for me, maybe not for David, but an awareness that we've gained in the last series that we did on infertility is that Mother's Day can also be triggering for those that are trying to create a family. And so we just want to acknowledge that well, we don't want to hinder the celebration for myself as a mother and for all of those mothers that are listening too. Which Beth thank you for existing because clearly, we could not do any of this without your support of my amazing co-host. So I just want to call that out. Plus, you guys have like, two under for four? Two under three?
David: Three and under. Yeah.
Mary: Oh my gosh. So just acknowledging the fact that like Mother's Day, and Father's Day in June can be complex. And I think we just want to be, you know, the Third Place is about this and space. It's not being a mother but not being a mother or not being a mother. It's really about what is it to be a mother and also find that mothering spirit, even if it's non-traditional.
David: Yeah, without question. I mean, I think that for me, because there has been a little bit of wrestling about what does Mother's Day look like if you can't have kids, if you're not a mom, and, and I do think we talk about like, the feminine spirit and the masculine spirit often. And, to me, Mother's Day is a representation of all femininity, right? And I think that that's really beautiful when we cast the net in such a wider space. So, if you are someone who has really struggled to be a mom and wants to be a mom, and just simply can't like we see you, I see you, and I still celebrate this day with you, because I think your space, your role in being motherly, your role in being you know, teaching other people and caring for other people is seen and heard. And critical, I think, to the way that we want to see society move.
Mary: Yeah, I think that there's a mothering nature in a lot of acts, but go beyond simply having a child. So I think that we're just acknowledging that and, you know, and, and, and, and the Third Place, I want to say Happy Mother's Day to my mama, Katherine Larvik, who we have told you guys is like, kind of our board of advisors. She doesn't really know it, but…
David: I've yet to meet Mama Catherine, but she's become someone who I trust immensely.
Mary: Yeah, yeah. And, just want to say thank you to everyone's support. And also, we are doing a Mother's Day giveaway actually, right now with an incredible community of people. It's through David's Coffee Company, La Terza Coffee. So go to Instagram at La Terza Coffee, check it out. You can also find it on our Instagram at Third Place Podcast and engage with us a little bit more there.
David: Yeah.
Mary: Yeah.
David: So we've been looking forward to sharing this episode with you all from Pamelyn, as she explains her children's book about gratitude. And I think she just has such a fantastic story. And yeah, to everyone out there, happy Mother's Day, happy Cinco de Mayo.
Mary: Today, we welcome Pamelyn. She's a manifestation expert and gratitude course junkie with a severe ‘70s obsession. As a stylist for 20 years a girl mama times two, she also received an MBA only 20 years old. She has a self-proclaimed addiction to gold spray paint, and always will be a believer in dressing up. As a Pittsburgh native, late-born Angelino, and a current, Tennessean we're elated to bring Pamela on to talk all things gratitude, and how it applies to not just children, but adults alike. Welcome, Pamelyn.
Mary: We welcome you to explore the third place with us.
David: It is an invitation to the gray space, a space where deeper connections are fostered…
David and Mary: Through challenging, empowering, and engaging dialogue.
Mary: You will walk away with a deeper understanding of self, equipped to engage with others in life's complex conversations.
David: Thank you for listening.
Mary: We invite you in to the Third Place.
Mary: Pamelyn, welcome to the Third Place we're really grateful to have you on.
Pamelyn: Thanks for having me.
Mary: We were first introduced to your work and your new book, gratitude the great from another one of our favorite guests, Angela Engel, who is also your publisher.
Pamelyn: She is.
Mary: She's like the ultimate connector, I swear.
Pamelyn: Oh yeah.
Mary: She's been bringing some of the like most profound and powerful stories to the table and we were able to share one of hers which I think was kind of cool to flip the script on her. But you know, I think that what's interesting about what you've done with “Gratitude the Great’ is that I know that this isn't your day job. So much is a passion project of yours, right?
Pamelyn: Yeah, it's definitely a passion project. It’s something that I have been wanting to do for years and years. And finally, I was like, I cannot rest until I get this done. And I did it.
Mary: Yeah. There's something about that like, feeling when you realize you can't like…I love how you said that you can't rest until it's done. That's like the effortless fire that is in your gut. So when you and I first spoke, I was really struck by the fact that you and I had that shared experience where we both lost our father in our early 30s. And it seems like that was a contributing factor to leading you down the path that you're on now. I'd love for you to sort of, you know, bring that experience to life for us.
Pamelyn: Yeah, it definitely was. You know, when I was 30, my dad passed away. And he was only 58 years old. And, it was just devastating. And, you know, he worked his whole life to retire at like, 56 years old. He was a mailman. And, you know, all he would talk about growing up was, you know, about retirement, and he wants to do this, and he's gonna do that. And then, you know, two years later, he's not, you know, on this earth anymore, and couldn't do all of these things that he wanted to do. So I think that, like, triggered something in me to just like, reflect on life, and, you know, the present. And I just started to make changes, and just pivot and switch things up, which was not a popular thing kind of where I'm from, right? It was, like, you know, we grew up, we go to college, and you know, we have our friends. And then, you know, we get married in our late 20s. And everybody starts having kids. And so that's what every one of my friends was doing.
And I was one of the only ones you know, with not being married or kids. And I'm like, okay, like, what is my path, you know? And so, I just started to do a lot of kind of, like, self-help, I guess you would call it. You know, because right prior to my dad passing away, I also had just recently ended a five-year relationship. And a year prior to that both of my grandparents died in the same year, who were also, you know, like my parents. And so, I just started to dig deep. And I started to, you know, read a lot of very hard reads like “A New Earth’, and “The Power of the Subconscious Mind’. And I just started to, like, really go deep, which was interesting and exciting for me, because it was nothing that was ever part of my life before.
You know, like, I'm from Pittsburgh, we're tough. We don't really like to talk about our deepest feelings and emotions. And we're like, steel people, and we just, you know, kind of go for it. And so, when I started, like, doing all of this, you know, reflecting, it brought me primarily to, like, yeah, the subconscious mind and our thoughts and really to, you know, give gratitude for the things like we have, the things we want, that we don't have, and the things we currently have. And that's where, like, affirmations come into play. Because affirmations are really you just being grateful for things that you want, but you don't have yet. So, you know, through all those things, I started to slowly change my mindset, slowly kind of like change my path.
And I up moved to California. So my dad died in April, in August, I moved part-time to California, part-time, Pittsburgh. I still maintained my job in Pittsburgh, you know, and I got other clients there. And I was just like, I am not going to wait until I'm 55 years old to live the life that I want to live right now. And, you know, it was bold, it was brave, looking back at it now. And, you know, I did it. And it was the best thing that I ever did. And so with that, you know, I continued to just work on things and work on my thoughts and just really practice gratitude daily. Because gratitude is like a muscle, you know? And like, the more you work at it, the better it becomes. So you just can't like, wake up one day and oh, I'm grateful for this. And oh my gosh, why isn't anything amazing happening? Well, just like anything, you know, you have to work hard and really practice it.
And so yeah, I mean, I found myself in LA at 30 years old you know, single and just wanting to, like explore life. And I mean, I also like, you know, had all of these dreams of, you know, finding this perfect man and you know, these children. And I had all of these great aspirations. And as soon as I started to, like be honest with what I wanted, because prior to that it was like I am woman hear me roar, I don't you know, need a man. I mean, it's just all those silly things. And I'm like, who am I, you know? So when I started to become honest with really what I wanted in life, putting those exact messages out there into the universe, it all came back to me, I mean, didn't happen overnight. It was years. I mean, years, you know, in the morning, I would wake up, and that's when I would do my affirmations. And I would like, close my eyes. And I would, you know, visualize and thank the universe for all of these amazing things, I had none of them. Like I had not, I was not even close to them. And now I have them all.
David: So it’s that forward version of gratitude that anticipatory gratitude that led you down this path to really identify what you wanted, what you were looking for, and he started to make it happen?
Pamelyn: Yeah, I mean, I think also, though, you know, the present state of gratitude is like, just as important, you know? I mean, dreaming and hoping, I mean, those are like major, but I also think that in order to dream and hope, you have to be happy with what is happening right now, even if it's really bad, like the death of your father and your grandparents, you know, and the end of a major relationship, and all these things. I just was able to through work and reading and listening to like, Super Soul Sunday, I mean, you know, I, that's all I did was watch that and tap into all those great speakers, that I truly was able to find all of these amazing things that I have to be grateful for.
You know, I always say like, the practice of gratitude is free to every single person in the entire universe. And the greatest thing about gratitude is it does not discriminate. It doesn't care what you look like, what color you are, how much money you make, it does not care, everybody has it in their pockets to pull out and use and get the benefits from it at all times. So like, we need to use it, you know, as much as we can. And so yeah, I was just kind of like, tapping into, like, I am grateful to be alive. I am grateful to have the opportunity to be in two states and travel. You know, you just start to just every little thing. I mean, the palm trees, the sun, you know, anything, the person that was working at the store that helped me today.
And, I just was so joyful by doing that. I was like a joyful human being. I don't think I was a sad person or anything like that. I was, you know, fine. I just was now exuding like this crazy amount of joy that if I wasn't practicing gratitude, and all of those things had happened to me I could be in a super, super dark place.
Mary: Yeah. I love the distinction between present gratitude and anticipatory gratitude. I mean, I don't know if those are dubbed or anything?
Pamelyn: I don't know. I have no idea. Yeah, I just started.
Mary: And I feel like what's cool about that is that there's nothing more sobering than a death right of someone really close to you. And that does force you into this present state where suddenly there is this end, that we maybe couldn't really contextualize before. And then it's like, Whoa, like, that's, that's real. Because I think so often we can live and know that we all will die and that's like the big equalizer. But it's only until I feel like you have a big death in your family or close to you that you're able to like really internalize that. And then it can be like, for me, I can relate to that. That it has created an opportunity to be more present than I think I would have ever been able to tap into otherwise.
Mary: Right. Because things like that, like things like death. I mean, in most cases, there is nothing that we can do, you know, to like, you know, prevent that. I mean, it's out of our control. So what I try to do is just focus on everything that I have control over. And then you know, release the things that I don't. And that doesn't mean that we can't be extremely sad and down and mourn all of these, you know, bad things that can happen to us, but I just think it makes me be a better person to try to, you know, control the things that I can control, compartmentalize it, not focus on the others.
David: Yeah, and these pain points force you into this present moment. It’s like, when we start to really think about all the things that we do have, we actually do have quite a lot. But it seems like it takes pain of some kind to usually trigger someone to be aware of all that to really look around and see like you said all the things like I'm alive that I have the opportunity to live in Pittsburgh very, and then Southern California, etc.
Pamelyn: Mm-hmm.
David: Yeah. So you have your book coming out. And I wanted to tap into that. There are so many great things, I think that you say that I think are like little catchphrases that I can't wait to apply to my family. One of the things that I saw it says, it should be as normal or as important as brushing your teeth, or gratitude should be as normal or as important as brushing your teeth. So what does that look like for daily practice with kids, especially right now we're living in a world where everything's always everything's so busy so adding anything new seems extra hard. But I agree, it sounds like this is really important to create a rhythm around.
Pamelyn: Right. And remember, you know, it is gratitude so simple. It's not like we're adding another sport or another, like a lesson in piano. This is free and you just need words, you know, and actions. And so, what I like to say is, gratitude is best caught, not taught. So we can sit here and tell our kids, you know, to say thank you and do this and do that. But really, you know, the true, like the deep, deep soulful gratitude is really what I'm talking about, that really makes the difference. And, you know, in order for children to truly feel that, I mean, it doesn't really happen till they're maybe like six years old, but the process can still be started, you know, prior to that. But in order for them to really get it, they're seeing what you're doing, and how you're speaking to humans, and how you are expressing your gratitude. And, you know, if you're taking cookies to a neighbor, you know, you, you know, the kid is involved in all those things. I mean, those are easy, right? Those are like your normal everyday things that you're riding in the car, “Oh, my gosh, Mariah, can you believe how beautiful that sunset is? Like, how grateful are we to be able to see that beauty?”
Any little, you know, the moment that you can find to say that is important. And then there are the rituals. I mean, there's like the easy daily things. But then there are the rituals that I call that I think are as important as you know, brushing your teeth at night. And so, there's a couple of them, you know, that we do, but like our favorite one is called pillow chat. And so at night, we have this heart-shaped crystal. And we each hold the crystal and we go around and we say what we are grateful for that day and why? Because I think that the why, and it's science-based too, but that the why is the most important part. Because you just can't say I'm grateful for my teacher, you have to really express you know why, that's deeper gratitude of them in their brains thinking, okay, this is why we're grateful for that. So we have to say why. And we each you know, go around and do that. And so they love it. If we miss it, they're all upset about it. So we've been doing that for years and years and years. And so that then prompts you know, other things in their life to go and do that. I mean, we're constantly we write thank you notes, like, it's nobody's business, you know.
Mary: That’s where I’ll start.
Pamelyn: Oh my gosh. And you know, they, I don't even have to tell them that, like if somebody buys them something, or does something nice for them, you know, let's write them a thank you note. And then the other thing is, like, it's not just about the physical thing. So if somebody just does something nice for you, I mean, it's not buying you something, it's, you know, showing your appreciation. And even like simple things like, you know, we'll be sitting at dinner, and I'll say, “Do you guys know how this food got here? Like, let's talk about it. Oh my gosh, you know, there's a farmer somewhere that had to plant these seeds, or, you know, milk this cow.” And then we go through, I call it the gratitude train. So we go through like this little train on how all of these people are, you know, a part of us eating this amazing dinner. So I think the key is like once kids and parents realize that we are all like interdependent on one another, to make a lot of things in our lives happen maybe we'll just you know, respect each other a little bit more.
David: Yeah. Totally, I love that idea that you know, the sunset it’s like when you see these moments of beauty you simply call them out and be and be grateful in that present moment. And I in part say this because my wife's dad used to be a mail carrier. And so when I heard you say the notes it made me think of right when I get a handwritten note, which is so rare in the mail, you're just like, what is it, you know? So to me, it immediately felt like it was a way that your kids could be embodying your dad because here are these notes that you're delivering to other folks.
Pamelyn: Right. And without the mailman or the letter carrier, you know, those notes could not be delivered.
David: And then the whole interdependent thing that you just said.
Mary: And kind of even take it one step further, where I feel like it doesn't even have to be that you're just acknowledging moments of beauty because that can be like easy, but that there's this other like layer of depth with gratitude that it's just acknowledging even differences, like what I heard you say, with this gratitude train, which I've so far loved all this like very playful language, because, like, that's really essential with children too, right? It has to, like, be a visual representation that they can lean into. But that acknowledgment is sort of an act of just like gratitude and acknowledgment are like, basically rooted in just being curious. And at that stage, you know, being curious and playful, and that probably is, I imagine, pretty important to this, gratitude as a ritual.
Pamelyn: Yeah. And we do a lot of that in the book, the books about, you know, appreciating people's differences and acknowledging them, you know, to them, through these gratitude bracelets. That’s a big part of the book is, you know, which we do that at home, too. And here's, you know, some of them that we make, gratitude bracelets. And this is another really, you know, cute idea that people can do with their, with their children at home, because it doesn't matter what kind of bracelet I mean even two-year-olds can string a bead, you know, on a bracelet. And so yeah, they're just gratitude bracelets, we call them Raya bracelets in the book, but yeah. And therefore, you know, for you to give to people to tell them what you're grateful for us, then every time that person looks down on their wrist, they know that somebody is grateful for them for some reason. And they're also, you know, for yourself, to have on your wrist to remind yourself of, okay, you know, like I have all these amazing things to be grateful for. So we make gratitude bracelets, like too much. We make them all the time.
Mary: And so what does what is Raya stand for, can you tell us a little bit of what that means?
Pamelyn: Well, so in the book, we say that, because the little girl in the book is from Brazil, and so we say that that was, the story is that she started to make these gratitude bracelets. It's a tradition in her Brazilian family. And they started to make them with their great, great grandmother and her nickname was Raya. But really, it's my daughter's nickname that my youngest daughter called her because her name is Mariah. So she would just call her Raya when she was little. So we just kind of connected that. So we wanted a name for it, we just didn't want to be like gratitude bracelets, we want to kind of brand it.
Mary: I love that. And it just like I think that that's the whole next step of having it be integrated for the kid, right? So it's like, yeah, you're talking about all these, like, different layers of gratitude that you can practice with your child. And then really the tangible is also important so that there's a constant reminder when they see that. I'm sure triggers the brain to have a boost in hormones or something. I mean, I don't know if you have any awareness around that. But I'm curious if you.
Pamelyn: Oh, yeah. There’s Deepak Chopra is my great friend. And she's the optimism doctor, and she wrote the afterword for my book. And so she's kind of like the science behind why gratitude works, why optimism works. So, I kind of do the practice. I call myself the practice, and she's the proof. And so, no there is science behind it. There’s cognitive benefits to people who practice gratitude on a daily basis, you know, it's a feeling that stirs up inside of you and, you know, creates all these amazing things like more optimism, and, you know, less anxiety and more appreciation for things. So, there are studies and studies. I mean, Harvard has done hundreds of them just on gratitude.
David: Yeah. I mean, I think that it's so easy for our brain and I've seen and read lots of studies to just the negative sticks so easily. And you know, how many times we have so many compliments throughout the day, but the one negative thing or, you know, any kind of creative work, the one one-star review I could have 100 5-star reviews, but I'm up at night thinking about that one-star review. Why that negative six? And it just seems like gratitude needs that attention, you know, that intentionality behind it for that reason alone.
Pamelyn: Right.
Mary: I'm sort of even thinking about so you know, is, since the negative can stick so it's so much stickier, I guess is gratitude just an antidote to this? I mean, I think that my experience, too, is that my child who's going to be four is really pretty highly sensitive. And it seems like a lot of negativity and the intensity of the climate of the world and everything is like infiltrating in a way that's kind of toxic. And, I'm wondering, like, is there anything about this generation of children that we're raising right now that are more vulnerable to this clearly? And, can it be as simple as gratitude as an antidote for that?
Pamelyn: Yeah, I mean, listen, you know, I, you know, believe in science, and I believe in like how it, you know, changed my life, and I was 30 years old. So that's why I wanted to write the book, I'm like, Oh, my gosh, if children at a young age can grasp this concept, by us as parents instilling these rituals into their lives, it could forever change the trajectory of their life. So yes, I mean, I believe that especially now. I mean, that's why like, you know, there's been all these articles, you know, coming out about how it's even so much more important now than ever because we were stripped of a lot of things that we were used to, and that made us happy and joyful. And so we had to kind of get down to the nitty-gritty and really, you know, find the joy in things that we hadn’t normally looked into, you know, or tapped into which we should have been, but you know, life happens, and it's just like what do you do?
And so, yes, I think that what everybody has gone through this past year, in the children, especially, you know, teaching them this trying to, like have their mind shift. Because that's the thing is, like, all the scientists say that gratitude is way, way, way easier for little kids than it is for adults. Because we're already messed up, you know? And they are more of you know, pure thoughts. And so it's way easier for them to grasp and get it than it is for us.
David: Yeah, and, to your point, like, it's, it's just so important. I actually read an article today that said, the number one cause of death for 10 to 14-year-olds is suicide. So the need is so much different, like, what do you see is the big shift in time? Like, why are we seeing this shift in kids today? That's different than when we were younger?
Pamelyn: I mean, I think social media, you know, is just horrible for that age group. I mean, think about it, you know, guys how hard it was for us, and we didn't have anything. And imagine, you know, that projected, like on a global scale. I don't know, man, I'm not looking forward to it. I'm trying to figure out, you know, like, how to navigate this for my young kids. But I think that has a lot, a lot to do with it.
David: Yeah, that makes sense.
Mary: Yeah, so, you know, again, talk about sobering conversation, but also, just what I love about this passion project of you doing ‘Gratitude The Great is that we can have such an intense conversation around the sort of resilience that's being demanded of our children these days and that it doesn't have to be this massive, nor expensive. In fact, it's a free approach to try to give them the tools to be able to cope with sort of the resilience that they're being called to tap into. And, you know, when we spoke a while back, I think that you said something like, gratitude is our greatest superpower?
Pamelyn: Greatest natural superpower.
Mary: Greatest natural superpower. You know, why you say it you know, just like that, and what does that mean?
Pamelyn: It just means that you know, we don't need anything to acquire gratitude, and it's all here like for us to use. And the benefits of it are so extreme that you know, that it's just so natural, like, everybody should be using it. And you know, the joy that it can bring, how it can help you throughout your life and through relationships. It is powerful. And, I just feel like it's the greatest virtue you know? Like Cicero said, not only is it you know, a virtue, but it's the parent of all others. That's what he says about gratitude. And so I think, you know, if you're practicing gratitude, if you're getting this whole thing, then all these other things like, come down from it, all these other layers will like happen, you know, from doing one powerful thing.
David: Yeah. Well, I know that a lot of people are gonna want to learn more about your book. Do you have an excerpt that you would be willing to share with us?
Pamelyn: Sure. I can read the little excerpt you know that we have like for the whole book. Okay, so it says, “gratitude is the greatest natural superpower. Hi, I'm Frankie, but you can call me gratitude the great. How did I get that name? Well, it all started when my cousin Hope came to visit and taught me how to make Raya bracelets a gratitude tradition in her Brazilian family. What starts is a sweet gesture of feeling gratitude quickly goes viral, and soon this dynamic duo will have much more to be thankful for. A story filled with an appreciation of all that makes us individuals. Follow Frankie and hope on an inspiring adventure that reminds us to be grateful for the world around us. In her afterward, author Pamela Rocco prompts children and parents alike on ways to invite gratitude into daily life and ignite their own natural superpower.”
Mary: I love it. I love it. Yeah, it's just like it's the greatest natural superpower the internal resource that is just sitting right there within you. I would love to share with our listeners where they can buy the book and also how they can connect with you personally.
Pamelyn: Yes, everyone can get the book anywhere books are sold on Amazon, Target, Walmart, Barnes, and Noble. And, they can find me at House of Basshery or Gratitude The Great on Instagram, and also GratitudeTheGreat.com.
Mary: Beautiful. It was such a treat to have you on Pamelyn.
Pamelyn: Thank you.
Mary: Be well.
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